China vs India

Some weeks back this circle was discussing China And doing polls on much Chinese Indians were buying

China will eat India's manufacturing business in a blip and we won't be able to do a thing about it.

True story
1. One of my vendor is struggling with his business (manufacturing company) because the customer has not cleared dues worth 60 Lakhs and his son is sitting in the customer's office and customer is holidaying in Poland.

2. A scrap trader relying on ship breaking from alang has shifted entire business to importing and has scaled 4x in 1 year with insane amount of profits.

3. Entire fire industry is dependent on china. Extinguisher used to fight fire, sprinklers used to prevent fire, smoke detectors etc everything is imported from china.

4. Automation, engineering, metals, scrap etc this are the domain i have knowledge about and are dominated by china and i feel their dominance will increase. Most people will not come out in open and say this but if china even sneeze we will get another bout of recession in no time. We are neck deep dependent on china and we are just too lazy to do anything about it.

5. All major shipping lines are operated/owned by china more  

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China started Economic reforms in 1978 and we started in 1991 i.e. a difference of 13 years. This makes a big difference. more  
The ongoing China vs India discussion revolves around multiple factors such as economic competition, manufacturing capabilities, global supply chains, and geopolitical tensions. Let’s explore some of the key issues raised in such discussions: 1. India vs China in Manufacturing China is the world’s largest manufacturer, and its role in the global supply chain is immense, spanning sectors from electronics and textiles to automobiles and pharmaceuticals. India, on the other hand, is still working on building a competitive manufacturing sector, but there are a few areas where India is trying to close the gap. China’s Manufacturing Power Manufacturing Hub: China has established itself as the "world’s factory" with unparalleled infrastructure, economies of scale, and an advanced supply chain ecosystem. From smartphones to consumer electronics and machinery, China produces goods in enormous quantities at competitive prices. State Support: Chinese manufacturing has benefited from state-driven policies, subsidies, and strong infrastructure development. It has also been a leader in high-tech industries such as 5G, semiconductors, and AI. Export Dominance: China is the largest exporter of goods globally, and its dominance in sectors like electronics, textiles, and steel continues to influence global supply chains. India’s Manufacturing Growth Atmanirbhar Bharat: India’s push for self-reliance (Atmanirbhar Bharat) is an effort to boost domestic manufacturing, particularly in sectors like electronics, automobiles, and pharmaceuticals. However, India is still far behind China in terms of manufacturing output and efficiency. Labor Costs: India’s cheaper labor could be a potential advantage, but the lack of infrastructure, complex regulatory environment, and fragmented supply chains remain barriers to achieving China’s scale in manufacturing. India’s Focus Areas: The Indian government has focused on sectors like electronics (Mobile Manufacturing), pharmaceuticals, and automobile production to reduce dependence on imports and increase exports. But these efforts need time to yield substantial results. 2. Geopolitical Factors and the India-China Relationship The geopolitical relationship between India and China is complex, with both countries being rivals in certain areas but also dependent on each other in terms of trade and economics. Tensions and Border Disputes Doklam Standoff and Galwan Valley Clash: Border skirmishes, such as the 2017 Doklam crisis and the 2020 Galwan Valley clash, have strained relations. Both countries have been involved in military standoffs, and these events have led to heightened security concerns. Strategic Rivalry: In recent years, India has increasingly seen China as a strategic rival, especially in terms of its growing presence in South Asia and Indian Ocean regions, including its influence in countries like Sri Lanka, Pakistan, and Nepal. Trade Dependence Despite these tensions, China is still a major trade partner for India, especially in sectors such as electronics, telecommunications, and pharmaceuticals. Imports from China: India is heavily dependent on Chinese electronics, chemicals, and machinery. Products like mobile phone components, solar panels, and industrial machinery are predominantly sourced from China. Exports to China: While China is a significant market for Indian raw materials, such as iron ore, petroleum products, and chemicals, India’s overall trade deficit with China remains large. 3. China’s Growing Influence in Global Trade China's dominance in global supply chains and its role in the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) also pose a competitive challenge to India. China is using its vast infrastructure investments to expand its influence, especially in developing countries. In contrast, India is still in the process of building strong trade networks and infrastructure to rival China on a global scale. Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) China’s Belt and Road Initiative is a major part of its global economic strategy, where it has invested heavily in infrastructure projects in Africa, Asia, and Europe. India, however, has not joined the BRI due to concerns over sovereignty and China’s growing influence in neighboring countries like Sri Lanka and Pakistan. 4. India's Strategic Response: India is taking several measures to reduce its dependence on China and strengthen its own economic and manufacturing capabilities. Make in India The Make in India initiative launched in 2014 aims to promote domestic manufacturing and attract foreign investment, with a focus on sectors like electronics, automobiles, and defense. However, scaling up domestic manufacturing to match China’s capabilities will require large investments in infrastructure, labor reforms, and skilled workforce development. Diversification of Supply Chains In the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been a global re-evaluation of supply chains, with many countries seeking to reduce their dependence on China. India is positioning itself as an alternative for manufacturing and outsourcing, but challenges like infrastructure bottlenecks and labor market reforms need to be addressed. China+1 Strategy A growing number of global companies are adopting a China+1 strategy, meaning they are diversifying their supply chains by setting up alternative production bases in countries like India, Vietnam, and Indonesia to reduce reliance on China. This presents an opportunity for India to attract more foreign direct investment (FDI) and create jobs in sectors like electronics and textiles. Indo-Pacific Partnerships India is also increasingly strengthening its ties with countries in the Indo-Pacific region, including Japan, Australia, and the United States, through strategic partnerships and trade agreements aimed at countering China's influence. The Quad (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue) is a prime example of this multilateral cooperation between India, the U.S., Japan, and Australia to ensure freedom of navigation and peaceful trade in the Indo-Pacific. 5. Impact on the Consumer and Economy As the debate continues about the competition between India and China, it impacts Indian consumers in multiple ways: Availability and Price: Chinese goods, especially in the consumer electronics sector, are often priced more competitively than Indian-made products. This gives Indian consumers more choices, but it also makes it difficult for Indian manufacturers to compete on price. Product Safety and Quality: While some Chinese products are cheaper, there have been concerns about the quality and safety of certain products, including electronics and toys, leading to growing calls for self-reliance in critical sectors. Conclusion: India and China are two of the largest economies in Asia, but they are also strategic competitors in many areas. While China remains dominant in global manufacturing, India is working towards strengthening its own manufacturing base, improving its infrastructure, and reducing dependence on Chinese imports. However, the road ahead is not without challenges, including the need for policy reforms, increased investment, and better supply chain management. Both countries have the potential to shape the future of global trade, but geopolitical tensions, trade imbalances, and the race for technological dominance will likely define the trajectory of their rivalry. more  
All electronic equipments from circuit boards , IC's, SOJ's, mounting components on the circuit boards , wires , fasteners , connectors SMT machines used to mount these components on circuit boards , Heavy Machinery almost everything is imported form china, its only assembled in India and labelled as "Make in India" . This is called "Screw Driver economy" in " Make in India" more  
Yes, let's compete with China but compare in terms of how much ahead they are economically, as already said by Dr. Rangarajan and Dr. Raghuram Rajan. Accepting the truth will get us forward. Let's respect Late Deng Jiao Ping and admit our deficiency in drawing capital from developed capitalist countries and foreseeing importance of manufacturing mobile phones, laptops and semiconductor chips and desist from glorifying currency note demonetisation with purpose of unearthing black money / counterfeit notes. However let's cherish the notion that in India political power comes from the hearts of the people and not from barrel of the guns, the latter we rely on for security. We have crossed the critical barrier. Our time has come, which has been declared by developed countries long back. However let's talk more of per capita income compared to GDP. Our policy makers must be keeping in mind what to do i.e. fall back plan if our relation with China gets bitter and affects material businesses. more  
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